Comments on: What’s Happening in the Mass? http://www.bustedhalo.com an online magazine for spiritual seekers. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:05:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: cathyfhttp://www.bustedhalo.com/googling-god/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass/#comment-7571 cathyf Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:27:41 +0000 http://www.bustedhalo.com/beta2008/wp/faith-guides/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass#comment-7571 Mike I am not Lutheran, but according to how Lutherans have explained "consubstantiation" to me you are totally off base with the "only a symbol" explanation. In transubstantiation, The Eucharist post-consecration has the accidents of bread and wine while the substance of Christ. In consubstantiation, the Eucharist has both the substance of bread and wine and the substance of Christ.The Lutherans who explained this to me were totally exasperated by the notion that Catholics and Lutherans have this "major" dispute <i>not about Christ</i>, but about the metaphysics of <i>food.</i> Mike I am not Lutheran, but according to how Lutherans have explained “consubstantiation” to me you are totally off base with the “only a symbol” explanation. In transubstantiation, The Eucharist post-consecration has the accidents of bread and wine while the substance of Christ. In consubstantiation, the Eucharist has both the substance of bread and wine and the substance of Christ.

The Lutherans who explained this to me were totally exasperated by the notion that Catholics and Lutherans have this “major” dispute not about Christ, but about the metaphysics of food.

]]> By: Brucehttp://www.bustedhalo.com/googling-god/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass/#comment-7547 Bruce Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:40:17 +0000 http://www.bustedhalo.com/beta2008/wp/faith-guides/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass#comment-7547 I'm not certain, but perhpas Jim means the article refers to "bread" and "wine" after consecration:"Some people prefer to have the minister place the host directly on the tongue, while others prefer to receive the bread in cupped hands. After taking the bread, each person consumes the host and then simply returns to their seat. Different parishes use different forms of bread." I’m not certain, but perhpas Jim means the article refers to “bread” and “wine” after consecration:

“Some people prefer to have the minister place the host directly on the tongue, while others prefer to receive the bread in cupped hands. After taking the bread, each person consumes the host and then simply returns to their seat. Different parishes use different forms of bread.”

]]> By: mikehttp://www.bustedhalo.com/googling-god/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass/#comment-2641 mike Fri, 01 May 2009 21:27:00 +0000 http://www.bustedhalo.com/beta2008/wp/faith-guides/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass#comment-2641 Lutherans believe in Consubstantiation (the eucharist is only a symbol)and not transubstantiation (literally to go beyond the substance of what appears--that the true essence of the Eucharist that is present is the body and blood of Jesus although the "accidents" of bread and wine remain. I'm not sure what Jim means here other than to say that the sacrifice that is present here is clearly stated. Jim what are you trying to say? Lutherans believe in Consubstantiation (the eucharist is only a symbol)and not transubstantiation (literally to go beyond the substance of what appears–that the true essence of the Eucharist that is present is the body and blood of Jesus although the “accidents” of bread and wine remain. I’m not sure what Jim means here other than to say that the sacrifice that is present here is clearly stated. Jim what are you trying to say?

]]> By: Stuart Wilson-Smithhttp://www.bustedhalo.com/googling-god/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass/#comment-2620 Stuart Wilson-Smith Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:18:44 +0000 http://www.bustedhalo.com/beta2008/wp/faith-guides/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass#comment-2620 Jim,I'm also quite familiar with Luther's view of the Mass. In what way do you feel that this article is in line with Luther's reforms? Everything is mentioned here that you would normally see at a Catholic mass and even includes those things Luther and his followers would have considered 'unscriptural.' Jim,

I’m also quite familiar with Luther’s view of the Mass. In what way do you feel that this article is in line with Luther’s reforms? Everything is mentioned here that you would normally see at a Catholic mass and even includes those things Luther and his followers would have considered ‘unscriptural.’

]]> By: Aqualachttp://www.bustedhalo.com/googling-god/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass/#comment-2619 Aqualac Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:40:29 +0000 http://www.bustedhalo.com/beta2008/wp/faith-guides/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass#comment-2619 The Communion Rite isn't the climax of the Mass, it is the Eucharistic Rite, where the Eucharist is consecrated and offered, because that is when we return to Calvary. The Communion Rite isn’t the climax of the Mass, it is the Eucharistic Rite, where the Eucharist is consecrated and offered, because that is when we return to Calvary.

]]> By: Jimhttp://www.bustedhalo.com/googling-god/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass/#comment-2351 Jim Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:14:00 +0000 http://www.bustedhalo.com/beta2008/wp/faith-guides/mass-class/whats-happening-in-the-mass#comment-2351 That was actually a very good description of the Mass according to Martin Luther. Do you realize what you are really saying? That was actually a very good description of the Mass according to Martin Luther. Do you realize what you are really saying?

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