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April 9th, 2009
Blair on the gay: it’s o-k! (and I respond to comments about homosexuality)
by Jeff Guhin

Read a take here.  Blair compares the Catholic Church to political parties, which is a bit crass, even if it’s probably sociologically accurate. The difference, of course, is that parties, even if they do care about principles, have a bit more at stake in terms of keeping power, while at least the argument about institutional religion is that it cares about truth first, then power.  Now clearly that’s often not true, but it’s at least the hope in a way that such hope can’t exist in politics.  

Anyways, his point on homosexuals is pretty solid.  Thanks to some great comments on a lot of the previous postings about homosexuality, particularly those that call to question whether the ban on gay acts is “natural”.  I think there’s a ton of compelling evidence to question the existence of a “natural” at all barring some pretty mundane things–I think that humans are naturally selfish, afraid of heights, desirous of community in some form, averse to pain, able to recognize patterns and causation, and a few other things.  But there’s a big jump from those to a natural way to have sex, which anthropology makes pretty clear simply does not exist.  If we want to say this is how the West, or even the Catholic Church, has traditionally done something, that’s one thing, but to argue that it’s natural seems a bit off.

Mark said a few more things worth commenting on:

1. Males and females not fitting together is I suppose true from one point of view, except for the women and  men in gay relationships who think they fit just fine, thank you.  Hands don’t fit together either.  Neither do kissing lips.  So hand-holding and kissing: none of that is natural or achieves a purpose.  Yet it’s still okay, right?  Because it’s unitive.  In terms of what humans were “designed” to do, you either have to take in on authority that certain parochial Western practices are what they were designed to do or ignore the vast amount of other practices that seem obvious and normal to other cultures.

2. The woman accepting the sperm of the man is what sex is about?  What about kissing?  What about long, close hugs?  And this doesn’t even get into the many and sundry forms of sodomy that the vast amount of heterosexuals do.  And then, of course, there are the infertile couples, or those on NFP who know they won’t get pregnant on a certain day and that’s why they have sex that day.  Of course, these are all just exceptions to the rule.  I challenge the rule too: except on an argument by authority, why is sex designed for procreation first?  I don’t believe there’s a good reason.

4. Lastly, there is no good sociological evidence that gay couples raise worse kids or raise kids in an inferior way (unless you count thinking gay relationships are okay is inferior, which is fair enough, but then you’d have to ban liberals from having kids too).  I know the field pretty well, and while I’m open to being corrected, I’d be quite surprised.

3 comments about “Blair on the gay: it’s o-k! (and I respond to comments about homosexuality)”
Stefany Beyer -- April 10th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

Surely you’ve heard the analogy of the “Catholic Cafeteria” - a place where one might choose which teachings suit his or her own life and leave the rest. This place does not exist. Moral relativism is a spiritual poison. It denies the existence of one God and one Truth, therefore and contradicts the Catholic faith.

Read John Paul II’s Theology of the Body. If you’re going to blog on a Catholic webzine, you need to know what the Church teaches. This is an extremely important responsibility.

Julian -- April 11th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

I sometimes debate with myself whether homosexuality is natural or not, but I still think that the Church could do a better job in its pastoral care of gay people.

The Church is quick to jump on political causes like Proposition 8, but when kids get kicked out of their house for being gay or get bullied at school or called names it feels like the Church is nowhere to be found (doesn’t the Catechism say that all forms of unjust discrimination should be avoided? why do they just focus on the reminding people it’s disordered part?).

Sure there are officially approved groups like Courage and such that aim to help gay Catholics live chaste lives, but even those groups are sparse and carry stigma around them (who’d want to say they’re part of those groups without being judged by fellow Catholics that still hold on to stereotypes that all gays are promiscuous or generally perverted).

It’s a very lonely place to be.

jvf -- April 16th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

Does God create “unnatural” ? There was once a debate over whether left-handedness was “normal” . Homosexuality is not a choice; it is not a disorder to be cured through therapy–ask anyone who realizes he / she is gay at 12 or 13 years old. A strong attraction to a member of the same sex and a deep desire to share intimacy with someone of the same sex–the same way the majority of the population feels about members of the opposite sex is not a degradation. It is the natural make-up for that person–albeit they are in the minority.
Does God create some human beings to function in a particular way sexually and then cast a prohibition on them doing so ? Is that the act of a loving God ? Our sexuality is way more complex than the Bible writers ever imagined ! We are complex beings in whom God has planted the desire for God, for each other, and for community. Tell me how a gay union, producing love, service to others, children is a threat to society ?/ Somehow I find an abusive heterosexual relationship with a dysfunctional family way more threatening to my community–my neighborhood–my school.

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